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		<title>By: Scotch Hobbyist</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2010/01/09/no-accounting-for-taste/#comment-1041</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scotch Hobbyist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great to hear from you again, Tim.

Yes, I expect to primarily be discussing whiskies I like, and I almost always research a bottle before I buy it. There don&#039;t seem to be too many stinkers out there, anyway.

I&#039;m healthy again, and finally posted another whisky review today. Looking forward to getting some of your thoughts out of the comments and into a blog post. ;-)

Cheers,
Jeff]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to hear from you again, Tim.</p>
<p>Yes, I expect to primarily be discussing whiskies I like, and I almost always research a bottle before I buy it. There don&#8217;t seem to be too many stinkers out there, anyway.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m healthy again, and finally posted another whisky review today. Looking forward to getting some of your thoughts out of the comments and into a blog post. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Scotch Hobbyist</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2010/01/09/no-accounting-for-taste/#comment-1040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scotch Hobbyist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sharing your thoughts, James. I get what you&#039;re saying about Murray&#039;s book, but I think if you apply the rule of getting to know the author, which you apparently have to a certain extent, judging by your comments, then you&#039;re all set to make the most of his book.

As for Tobermory, don&#039;t they deserve to get snubbed by him...just a little bit? ;-)

BTW - I checked out your blog, and your pending odyssey sounds quite exciting! I look forward to following along. I&#039;ll respond to your email shortly...

Jeff]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts, James. I get what you&#8217;re saying about Murray&#8217;s book, but I think if you apply the rule of getting to know the author, which you apparently have to a certain extent, judging by your comments, then you&#8217;re all set to make the most of his book.</p>
<p>As for Tobermory, don&#8217;t they deserve to get snubbed by him&#8230;just a little bit? <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>BTW &#8211; I checked out your blog, and your pending odyssey sounds quite exciting! I look forward to following along. I&#8217;ll respond to your email shortly&#8230;</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Scotch Hobbyist</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2010/01/09/no-accounting-for-taste/#comment-1039</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scotch Hobbyist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the coments Matt and El Capitan. I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve got a system that works for your group. And really, that&#039;s all that matters...you guys know what you&#039;re trying to communicate to each other.

I don&#039;t see the 100 point rating system as being any more confusing than a 10 point system. I think what it primarily does is let you make subtle distinctions when doing comparisoins. For example, if you compared a flight of whiskies that all seemed like an 8 out of 10, or B, you might still have preferences within that grouping and want to indicate as such with your points.

Anyway, I like reading your guys&#039; notes, and don&#039;t have any problem going with the flow when it comes to rating systems.

BTW - I had totally missed the Talisker reference in your club name. Very cool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the coments Matt and El Capitan. I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve got a system that works for your group. And really, that&#8217;s all that matters&#8230;you guys know what you&#8217;re trying to communicate to each other.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the 100 point rating system as being any more confusing than a 10 point system. I think what it primarily does is let you make subtle distinctions when doing comparisoins. For example, if you compared a flight of whiskies that all seemed like an 8 out of 10, or B, you might still have preferences within that grouping and want to indicate as such with your points.</p>
<p>Anyway, I like reading your guys&#8217; notes, and don&#8217;t have any problem going with the flow when it comes to rating systems.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; I had totally missed the Talisker reference in your club name. Very cool.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2010/01/09/no-accounting-for-taste/#comment-1034</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In your case, Jeff, as a blogger - I&#039;d honestly expect you to PRIMARILY rate whisk(e)y you like - time&#039;s limited, you probably don&#039;t get a ton of freebies like the &quot;big guys&quot; do, and why waste time on &quot;cheap beer?&quot;

I can&#039;t remember the last time I bought a whisk(e)y - or anything else for that matter - that I DIDN&#039;T EXPECT TO LIKE.  Granted, I haven&#039;t loved them all (Glen Scotia comes to mind) but reviews like yours, Hansells, Serge&#039;s, etc. are extremely valuable in driving where my $$$ gets deposited.

Hansell, Murray, Jackson, et al - are PROFESSIONAL tasters, as such I expect a modicum of objectivity from them (ok, not so much Murray...), but the long/short of it is that an UPFRONT STATEMENT - as you&#039;ve made several times - about your preferences really helps a reader know what to expect.  You and I share a very similar taste preference - so I&#039;m always happy when YOU spend the money first... ;-)

But coming from a music/radio background I know the challenge of &quot;reviewing&quot; things - like music - and attempting to be objective - and in that industry it&#039;s know that some reviewers hate anything without guitars, or can&#039;t stand rap, etc. - but we have to figure that out over time.  That said, there are objective qualities that can be rated - skill, production values, catchy and/or challenging lyrics, etc. - things that veer on subjective, but given the HUGE sample and experience we have to draw on can be objectified - just some writers (in music and whisky) tend to forget that.  

Of course, the sum of the parts sometimes lets down in the whole (and visa versa) - and that&#039;s where experience like what Hansell brings comes into play.

But there&#039;s no substitute for knowing where a reviewer stands going into the critique.  Same for art, movies, chocolate - whatever.  It&#039;s just a shame the MOST folks who do the critiques try SO hard to hide their biases, or assume they don&#039;t have them - when any good reader can quickly tell what they are.

Thanks for your efforts on behalf of us whisky fans - and when&#039;s the next post?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your case, Jeff, as a blogger &#8211; I&#8217;d honestly expect you to PRIMARILY rate whisk(e)y you like &#8211; time&#8217;s limited, you probably don&#8217;t get a ton of freebies like the &#8220;big guys&#8221; do, and why waste time on &#8220;cheap beer?&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t remember the last time I bought a whisk(e)y &#8211; or anything else for that matter &#8211; that I DIDN&#8217;T EXPECT TO LIKE.  Granted, I haven&#8217;t loved them all (Glen Scotia comes to mind) but reviews like yours, Hansells, Serge&#8217;s, etc. are extremely valuable in driving where my $$$ gets deposited.</p>
<p>Hansell, Murray, Jackson, et al &#8211; are PROFESSIONAL tasters, as such I expect a modicum of objectivity from them (ok, not so much Murray&#8230;), but the long/short of it is that an UPFRONT STATEMENT &#8211; as you&#8217;ve made several times &#8211; about your preferences really helps a reader know what to expect.  You and I share a very similar taste preference &#8211; so I&#8217;m always happy when YOU spend the money first&#8230; <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But coming from a music/radio background I know the challenge of &#8220;reviewing&#8221; things &#8211; like music &#8211; and attempting to be objective &#8211; and in that industry it&#8217;s know that some reviewers hate anything without guitars, or can&#8217;t stand rap, etc. &#8211; but we have to figure that out over time.  That said, there are objective qualities that can be rated &#8211; skill, production values, catchy and/or challenging lyrics, etc. &#8211; things that veer on subjective, but given the HUGE sample and experience we have to draw on can be objectified &#8211; just some writers (in music and whisky) tend to forget that.  </p>
<p>Of course, the sum of the parts sometimes lets down in the whole (and visa versa) &#8211; and that&#8217;s where experience like what Hansell brings comes into play.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s no substitute for knowing where a reviewer stands going into the critique.  Same for art, movies, chocolate &#8211; whatever.  It&#8217;s just a shame the MOST folks who do the critiques try SO hard to hide their biases, or assume they don&#8217;t have them &#8211; when any good reader can quickly tell what they are.</p>
<p>Thanks for your efforts on behalf of us whisky fans &#8211; and when&#8217;s the next post?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2010/01/09/no-accounting-for-taste/#comment-1029</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very well done, Jeff. Since &#039;The Whisky &quot;Bible&quot;&#039; 2010 edition was released there has been a fair amount of virtual column inches devoted to discussing it, although I mostly felt it degenerated into pouting and bitching! This, however, tackles the whole ratings issue from the point of view of the &quot;ordinary&quot; hobby whisky drinker; when they actually mean anything at all. I congratulate you on sticking up for your use of ratings and explaining why so honestly. I think ratings would be a bit easier to swallow from the big guns if they too came out and said, &quot;Well look, I&#039;m really not going to place anything above a Sherry-matured Ardbeg.&quot; -:cough, Jim Murray, cough:-
My own problem with Murray&#039;s book and why I haven&#039;t bought the latest one is that if he doesn&#039;t like the whisky (poor old Tobermory) then we get nothing, literally zilch, about what the malt actually tastes like, just those aspects of its flavour that Murray is particularly offended by. How does that help?! I&#039;m sure I read in the section where he goes some way towards explaining his ratings that anything below a certain score won&#039;t get separate component scores (for nose, taste etc.) or even much attention paid to it. So he basically says that the only whiskies worth talking about are the ones he likes! I don&#039;t think, irrespective of experience, you can get away with something like that in a field so dependent on subjective sensory information. But thank you, again, for your thoughts, Jeff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well done, Jeff. Since &#8216;The Whisky &#8220;Bible&#8221;&#8216; 2010 edition was released there has been a fair amount of virtual column inches devoted to discussing it, although I mostly felt it degenerated into pouting and bitching! This, however, tackles the whole ratings issue from the point of view of the &#8220;ordinary&#8221; hobby whisky drinker; when they actually mean anything at all. I congratulate you on sticking up for your use of ratings and explaining why so honestly. I think ratings would be a bit easier to swallow from the big guns if they too came out and said, &#8220;Well look, I&#8217;m really not going to place anything above a Sherry-matured Ardbeg.&#8221; -:cough, Jim Murray, cough:-<br />
My own problem with Murray&#8217;s book and why I haven&#8217;t bought the latest one is that if he doesn&#8217;t like the whisky (poor old Tobermory) then we get nothing, literally zilch, about what the malt actually tastes like, just those aspects of its flavour that Murray is particularly offended by. How does that help?! I&#8217;m sure I read in the section where he goes some way towards explaining his ratings that anything below a certain score won&#8217;t get separate component scores (for nose, taste etc.) or even much attention paid to it. So he basically says that the only whiskies worth talking about are the ones he likes! I don&#8217;t think, irrespective of experience, you can get away with something like that in a field so dependent on subjective sensory information. But thank you, again, for your thoughts, Jeff.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2010/01/09/no-accounting-for-taste/#comment-1022</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over here at the DTWC (as El Capitan will agree) we rate but very lightly. Just score it out of 7 and leave it at that. Because the blog site is really just for us 10+ members to stay in touch between meets the rating is not always on taste but and gives a really good idea if it is something all in the group will find it worth trying. Also we all know that the bottle will probably arrive at the club meet at some stage anyways so it gives us all something to look forward to.

The one thing we have found is a low range of numbers really does force you to make a choice of either &quot;yes it is good go for it&quot; or &quot;no it is bad, try it but don&#039;t buy it&quot; with very little in between. As an example 96/100 is a rather vague indication really, where as a 6/7 says &quot;Yes try it you will most likely enjoy the experience&quot;.

I have found several of the well noted whiskey critics ratings to be completely unfounded and just flatly wrong. I mean really what does 67/100 mean? Bad, average, maybe, maybe not...? For good or bad it just gets confusing.

Take it easy and yes get to know the author. Spot on. Nice post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over here at the DTWC (as El Capitan will agree) we rate but very lightly. Just score it out of 7 and leave it at that. Because the blog site is really just for us 10+ members to stay in touch between meets the rating is not always on taste but and gives a really good idea if it is something all in the group will find it worth trying. Also we all know that the bottle will probably arrive at the club meet at some stage anyways so it gives us all something to look forward to.</p>
<p>The one thing we have found is a low range of numbers really does force you to make a choice of either &#8220;yes it is good go for it&#8221; or &#8220;no it is bad, try it but don&#8217;t buy it&#8221; with very little in between. As an example 96/100 is a rather vague indication really, where as a 6/7 says &#8220;Yes try it you will most likely enjoy the experience&#8221;.</p>
<p>I have found several of the well noted whiskey critics ratings to be completely unfounded and just flatly wrong. I mean really what does 67/100 mean? Bad, average, maybe, maybe not&#8230;? For good or bad it just gets confusing.</p>
<p>Take it easy and yes get to know the author. Spot on. Nice post.</p>
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		<title>By: El Capitan</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2010/01/09/no-accounting-for-taste/#comment-1019</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes - very enjoyable post Jeff.  Personally, I really enjoy seeing how others rate a particular whisky.  Everyone&#039;s taste is different, but you can def get similar palletes between people and this helps me when deciding which whisky to try next!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes &#8211; very enjoyable post Jeff.  Personally, I really enjoy seeing how others rate a particular whisky.  Everyone&#8217;s taste is different, but you can def get similar palletes between people and this helps me when deciding which whisky to try next!</p>
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		<title>By: Scotch Hobbyist</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2010/01/09/no-accounting-for-taste/#comment-987</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scotch Hobbyist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comments guys.

Sam - I can&#039;t argue with your &quot;no right or wrong answer&quot; comment. Brilliant. 

Also, I agree that Mr. Murray&#039;s experience should count for something. I meant to imply that when I said I give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments guys.</p>
<p>Sam &#8211; I can&#8217;t argue with your &#8220;no right or wrong answer&#8221; comment. Brilliant. </p>
<p>Also, I agree that Mr. Murray&#8217;s experience should count for something. I meant to imply that when I said I give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his experience.</p>
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		<title>By: smsmmns</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, Jeff. A touchy issue that has no right or wrong answer, unless someone says X is right and Y is wrong. Bias is fine, but like you said, understanding that bias is our advantage as readers. As for Jim&#039;s 30 years of experience sticking his nose in glasses, that MUST be worth something. We celebrate it in master distillers, should we not appreciate it in critics?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Jeff. A touchy issue that has no right or wrong answer, unless someone says X is right and Y is wrong. Bias is fine, but like you said, understanding that bias is our advantage as readers. As for Jim&#8217;s 30 years of experience sticking his nose in glasses, that MUST be worth something. We celebrate it in master distillers, should we not appreciate it in critics?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen brother!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen brother!</p>
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