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		<title>By: Ratings History: More fun with Google Docs &#171; Scotch Hobbyist&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2009/07/14/rating-whiskies/#comment-961</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Best in Blog #18: Tasting Notes and Whisky News on the Web &#124; Whisky Party</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2009/07/14/rating-whiskies/#comment-841</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] friend Scotch Hobbyist has developed a new ratings system that I am quite frankly rather jealous of.  If anyone out there wants to help us out with some [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Scotch Hobbyist</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2009/07/14/rating-whiskies/#comment-633</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the clarification Oliver. However, I still think we&#039;re splitting hairs here.

You can theorize all you want about linear scales and precision below 70, but when I read Serge&#039;s review of Bowmore 1984/2000 Samaroli (61 pts), I don&#039;t look at the score and think &quot;this is a good whisky but a bad value&quot;, I read his notes and think &quot;yuck&quot;. There you go...compatibility with my scale. :-)

There&#039;s really no such thing as an objective compatibility between reviewers, given differing tastes. However, I do see the logic in trying to use the same language and scale. A reader would still need to understand an individual reviewer&#039;s preferences and style, but knowing what they&#039;re trying to say with their numbers would make browsing a summarized ratings list more meaningful.

One fear I would have with trying to mimic the Malt Maniacs too closely is that I might come off as thinking I know what I&#039;m doing. :-) Maybe after a few thousand more drams I&#039;ll reach some ah-ha moment where I feel my ratings are worth comparing to somebody else&#039;s. Right now, I&#039;m just trying to communicate my relative preferences and tie that into my notes, and to have a little fun with my whisky discovery process.

I&#039;ll definitely go read through your posts on reviewing later today. I&#039;ve been meaning to do that, but haven&#039;t made the time yet.

Thanks,
Jeff]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification Oliver. However, I still think we&#8217;re splitting hairs here.</p>
<p>You can theorize all you want about linear scales and precision below 70, but when I read Serge&#8217;s review of Bowmore 1984/2000 Samaroli (61 pts), I don&#8217;t look at the score and think &#8220;this is a good whisky but a bad value&#8221;, I read his notes and think &#8220;yuck&#8221;. There you go&#8230;compatibility with my scale. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There&#8217;s really no such thing as an objective compatibility between reviewers, given differing tastes. However, I do see the logic in trying to use the same language and scale. A reader would still need to understand an individual reviewer&#8217;s preferences and style, but knowing what they&#8217;re trying to say with their numbers would make browsing a summarized ratings list more meaningful.</p>
<p>One fear I would have with trying to mimic the Malt Maniacs too closely is that I might come off as thinking I know what I&#8217;m doing. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Maybe after a few thousand more drams I&#8217;ll reach some ah-ha moment where I feel my ratings are worth comparing to somebody else&#8217;s. Right now, I&#8217;m just trying to communicate my relative preferences and tie that into my notes, and to have a little fun with my whisky discovery process.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll definitely go read through your posts on reviewing later today. I&#8217;ve been meaning to do that, but haven&#8217;t made the time yet.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Klimek</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2009/07/14/rating-whiskies/#comment-632</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I&#039;ll have to follow up on this again. It seems you misinterpreted Serge&#039;s &quot;Hold it&quot; for &lt;70 a bit. This does not say that whiskies below 70 are indeed bad. It just means that it&#039;s not worth buying them because you can get much better value for the money. 

Actually I use the same scale as Serge and the other Malt Maniacs. As fate has it, I just finished publishing my three-part series about rating on my blog. I also outline my scoring system which is quite a straightforward adaption from Johannes van den Heuvel (malt maniacs founder). It is hidden somwehere in the depths of his Malt Madness site, couldn&#039;t find it right now. 

In this system there are two important calibration marks: 50 is the line between liking and &quot;actively disliking&quot; a whisky, and all above 75 is &quot;good&quot; or better. 75 is considered to be the score for a midlle-of-the-road malt. So anything between 50 and 75 is &quot;drinkable&quot; but nothing really to go for. 

Regarding &quot;undrinkability&quot;: I am almost certain that Serge gave the Bowmore Claret 49 points because it was JUST not good enough to be called ok or drinkable. It will be still miles better than a Loch Dhu, for example. 

The scale of all the raters seems to end at 50 because hardly ever &quot;really bad&quot; single malt is bottled. But there still are differences below the 50 line.

Sorry if this has become a bit lengthy ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ll have to follow up on this again. It seems you misinterpreted Serge&#8217;s &#8220;Hold it&#8221; for &lt;70 a bit. This does not say that whiskies below 70 are indeed bad. It just means that it&#039;s not worth buying them because you can get much better value for the money. </p>
<p>Actually I use the same scale as Serge and the other Malt Maniacs. As fate has it, I just finished publishing my three-part series about rating on my blog. I also outline my scoring system which is quite a straightforward adaption from Johannes van den Heuvel (malt maniacs founder). It is hidden somwehere in the depths of his Malt Madness site, couldn&#039;t find it right now. </p>
<p>In this system there are two important calibration marks: 50 is the line between liking and &quot;actively disliking&quot; a whisky, and all above 75 is &quot;good&quot; or better. 75 is considered to be the score for a midlle-of-the-road malt. So anything between 50 and 75 is &quot;drinkable&quot; but nothing really to go for. </p>
<p>Regarding &quot;undrinkability&quot;: I am almost certain that Serge gave the Bowmore Claret 49 points because it was JUST not good enough to be called ok or drinkable. It will be still miles better than a Loch Dhu, for example. </p>
<p>The scale of all the raters seems to end at 50 because hardly ever &quot;really bad&quot; single malt is bottled. But there still are differences below the 50 line.</p>
<p>Sorry if this has become a bit lengthy <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Scotch Hobbyist</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2009/07/14/rating-whiskies/#comment-631</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, thanks to the combination of 1) Oliver&#039;s feedback and 2) my having recently encountered a &quot;bad&quot; bottle (a 50ml sample of HP 15), I&#039;ve decided that there are indeed at least a couple of levels of &quot;badness&quot; that I might want to share. 

I&#039;ve modified the D category and added E and F to account for this.

Thanks again for the feedback, Oliver.

Jeff]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, thanks to the combination of 1) Oliver&#8217;s feedback and 2) my having recently encountered a &#8220;bad&#8221; bottle (a 50ml sample of HP 15), I&#8217;ve decided that there are indeed at least a couple of levels of &#8220;badness&#8221; that I might want to share. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve modified the D category and added E and F to account for this.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the feedback, Oliver.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Scotch Hobbyist</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2009/07/14/rating-whiskies/#comment-630</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the feedback Oliver! I agree that the scale is squeezed, somewhat, but I respectfully disagree about compatibility.

Take a look at the top of the Malt Maniacs Matrix:
90+ = Legendary
85-89 = Highly Recommendable
80-84 = Recommendable
75-79 = Better than average
70-74 = Claret
Below 70 = Hold it!

Pretty much the same thing. My scale (and as far as I can tell, the scales of Serge Valentine, John Hansell, Jim Murray and others I have looked at) is based on the principle that most whiskies that the makers go through the trouble of bottling are at least drinkable.

Jim Murray&#039;s scale essentially ends at 50. He bothers to distinguish between &quot;nasty&quot; and &quot;nothing short of diabolical.&quot; He also tastes pretty much anything and everything. I, on the other hand, usually do some research into a bottle before I buy it. I&#039;m much less likely to run into a bad bottle, and if I do, I&#039;m not likely to spend enough time with it to debate nasty vs diabolical. :-)

Serge does have a couple of ratings in the Malt Maniac Matrix below 70, but once you see his &quot;undrinkable&quot; comment on his 49 point Bowmore Claret review, does a 30 or 25 point rating mean anything? They&#039;re all undrinkable.

Maybe I&#039;ll reach a point someday where I find it worth taking the time to distinguish one bad whisky from another, but at this point in my discovery process, I just want to indicate relative enjoyment between the good ones and avoid the bad ones.

Thanks,
Jeff]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback Oliver! I agree that the scale is squeezed, somewhat, but I respectfully disagree about compatibility.</p>
<p>Take a look at the top of the Malt Maniacs Matrix:<br />
90+ = Legendary<br />
85-89 = Highly Recommendable<br />
80-84 = Recommendable<br />
75-79 = Better than average<br />
70-74 = Claret<br />
Below 70 = Hold it!</p>
<p>Pretty much the same thing. My scale (and as far as I can tell, the scales of Serge Valentine, John Hansell, Jim Murray and others I have looked at) is based on the principle that most whiskies that the makers go through the trouble of bottling are at least drinkable.</p>
<p>Jim Murray&#8217;s scale essentially ends at 50. He bothers to distinguish between &#8220;nasty&#8221; and &#8220;nothing short of diabolical.&#8221; He also tastes pretty much anything and everything. I, on the other hand, usually do some research into a bottle before I buy it. I&#8217;m much less likely to run into a bad bottle, and if I do, I&#8217;m not likely to spend enough time with it to debate nasty vs diabolical. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Serge does have a couple of ratings in the Malt Maniac Matrix below 70, but once you see his &#8220;undrinkable&#8221; comment on his 49 point Bowmore Claret review, does a 30 or 25 point rating mean anything? They&#8217;re all undrinkable.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll reach a point someday where I find it worth taking the time to distinguish one bad whisky from another, but at this point in my discovery process, I just want to indicate relative enjoyment between the good ones and avoid the bad ones.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Klimek</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2009/07/14/rating-whiskies/#comment-629</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I quite like your rating appoach with the &quot;enjoyment&quot; factoring in as well. But when a score of 69 means &quot;down the drain&quot; for you, you basically squeeze the 100 point scale to a mere 30 points which gives you much less possibility for grading. 

With this system there is not much of a diffference between a score of 30 and one of 65, but there is a significant difference between let&#039;s say 80 and 95. This means your scale is logarithmic instead of linear.

It is good that you point this out, because your ratings won&#039;t be compatible with those of many others, like for example the Malt Maniacs who use a striclty linear scale. My own ratings are linear as well, with 50 points marking the line between liking and disliking a whisky]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite like your rating appoach with the &#8220;enjoyment&#8221; factoring in as well. But when a score of 69 means &#8220;down the drain&#8221; for you, you basically squeeze the 100 point scale to a mere 30 points which gives you much less possibility for grading. </p>
<p>With this system there is not much of a diffference between a score of 30 and one of 65, but there is a significant difference between let&#8217;s say 80 and 95. This means your scale is logarithmic instead of linear.</p>
<p>It is good that you point this out, because your ratings won&#8217;t be compatible with those of many others, like for example the Malt Maniacs who use a striclty linear scale. My own ratings are linear as well, with 50 points marking the line between liking and disliking a whisky</p>
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		<title>By: Scotch Hobbyist</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2009/07/14/rating-whiskies/#comment-610</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those are definitely some great distilleries (although so far, I&#039;m not a big Glenfarclas fan). I just tried 6 Highland Parks (12, 15, 18, 21, 25 and 30) and I think it&#039;s amazing how great their entire line is! So there! :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are definitely some great distilleries (although so far, I&#8217;m not a big Glenfarclas fan). I just tried 6 Highland Parks (12, 15, 18, 21, 25 and 30) and I think it&#8217;s amazing how great their entire line is! So there! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Peterpanohno</title>
		<link>http://scotchhobbyist.com/2009/07/14/rating-whiskies/#comment-609</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Both Laphroag and Lagavulin are too peaty/medicinal. Not the slightest pleasure from either of &#039;em!
My favourites in a general sense without getting lippy, technical or critically boring are the ranges of Glenfarclas, Highland Park, and Macallan.....so there!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Laphroag and Lagavulin are too peaty/medicinal. Not the slightest pleasure from either of &#8216;em!<br />
My favourites in a general sense without getting lippy, technical or critically boring are the ranges of Glenfarclas, Highland Park, and Macallan&#8230;..so there!</p>
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		<title>By: White Horse Extra Fine 12 year blend. Fine indeed. &#171; Scotch Hobbyist&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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